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Niki wrote and asked:
In recent years I have been able to save $ 80,000 dollars (401K) per year as a business owner. But now I am afraid that my bucket will be too big for taxes.
I may have chances for Roth -conversions later, but I wonder if it would be worth paying some taxes and saving some of that money on a brokerage account.
Because brokerage accounts are taxed at power gain rates, is it not more logical? There is some complicated math that I may not see, so every insight into this would be useful!
This is an interesting and common question.
401 (K) Accounts are omnipresent. Between their large annual maxima, employer matches and the last ~ 15 years of growing the bull market shares, it is common to see large 401k-baldi.
But is there such a thing as ‘too big’ a bucket for taxes?
Certainly.
Let’s dig in the details.
Repair the starting point
First I want to clarify part of Niki’s question. She wrote:
“Because brokerage accounts are taxed at power gain rates, is it not more logical?”
The money that goes to a brokerage account is First taxed as an income. Then any growth in the account will do that Than are taxed at power gain rates. And all dividends and interest are on the road Also taxed on an annual basis (some as income, some at capital gain rates).
There are three possible tax layers. Everything else right, you shall Pay more tax on the dollars on a taxable brokerage account than on the dollars on qualified accounts (401K, IRA, etc.).
The article below shares some comparable comparisons. It is difficult to come up with a scenario in which a taxable brokerage has better tax results than a qualified account:
But it may still be worth it
Of course it is unlikely that the taxable brokerage will ever take better care of tax benefits. That’s okay.
Taxable brokerage accounts offer the critical, difficult to quantify benefits of flexibility And liquidity.
I think it’s great to sacrifice some tax benefits as a consideration for more flexibility. A reasonable example:
Niki currently contributes $ 80k a year to her solo 401K. Maybe she could call that, choose to contribute $ 50k per year to the Solo 401K.
The other $ 30k goes to Niki as an income. ~ $ 8k is paid as an income tax. Niki could take the remaining $ 22k and invest it in a taxable brokerage.
She still saves a lot of Of money, although not as much as before. But now about 1/3 of her savings are flexible and liquid.
Only one problem? I have been totally subjective so far. Why did we split $ 80k into 50k + 30k (minus taxes)?
Can we be a little more rigorous and more objective here?
Objective reasons to choose taxable above tax postponed?
Let us comment on a number of legitimate, objective reasons to limit contributions to deferred accounts and to start more contributions to taxable accounts.
Everything is traditional/tax postponed.
Quite simple here. If your current pension bouquers ~ 100% are traditional, you must be planning possibly Start contributing to Roth and taxable bills. Maybe “possibly” Is now.
For most people, Roth -contributions are more logical than taxable contributions. Roth should come first. ButIn particular confronted with the issue of ‘flexibility’, Roth assets suffer many of the same problems as traditional assets. Taxable accounts offer the most flexibility!
How many? What do the numbers look like? Opinions vary, and everyone’s individual scenario will connect differently with income tax brackets and brackets in the power gain.
A rule of thumb that I have heard? Strive for [Roth + Taxable] are 25% Or more of your pension assets.
Future RMDs too high!
If you use your current traditional calculation balance, add more contributions over time and accept reasonable growth rates, what do you expect that your future RMDs are? More exactly – what do you expect the tax rate About those future RMDs to be?
Your current marginal income tax rate can be lower than the future RMD tax rate. That is a blinking red light; Vertis your traditional contributions and diversify your tax bimbles.
Just pay the tax now. Then use those dollars to fill in Roth and/or taxable accounts.
Liquidity / cash flow problems – especially in early retirement years
If you retire for the traditional retirement age (eg “fire” movement), you certainly need a taxable brokerage account.
But even if you plan a “normal” age pension, it is valuable to have a flexible broker account with “only” capital gains associated with it (no income tax).
I realize that you can gain early access to pension accounts (eg. Rule of 55 and Sepp/72[t]), but even those access routes are rigid in their application.
A taxable brokerage has no rigidity.
An easy decision tree – Do you need more taxable dollars?
For a simple starting point I would take the following five steps to determine if you need more taxable dollars in your long -term portfolio.
Step 1: Project your future RMDs and their associated tax rates.
Step 2: Compare the result of Step 1 at your current income tax rates
Step 3: Assess your current taxable bucket size as a percentage of the total long -term dollars
Step 4: Take a ‘best gamble’ about what you will look ‘early years’ of retirement, and whether you need an extra need for flexible dollars (for example you have fire plans)
Step 5: Based on Steps 1-4New long-term contributions are shifting, possibly possibly away from deferred tax, to taxable.
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