Shetty also says that consumers have been traded for years against high P/E ratios, which after 2012 will remain as a result of valuation slacunes, although defensive buying has stimulated recent recovery. Capital goods have experienced a flowering over the past three years, but the current ratings seem untenable as the income normalize. Investors must be careful in these sectors where the valuations differ considerably from long -term averages.
The recent correction has made ratings in certain bags of the market very attractive. There is no doubt that it is definitely a stock picker market. What are the bags where you see value generating in the midst of this volatility and when will the dust settle? Where do you see the traction coming in to start with?
Nilesh Shetty: Yes, the uncertainty about rates has given the opportunity to Stock Pickers to pick up shares they want to pick up for the long term. Again, the assumption is that much of this uncertainty will fade in a few months. We see opportunities in logistics where we get closer to a level where we want to buy. Some pharmaceutical shares become interesting for us. We continue to have a major allocation to banks in the private sector and shares that are linked to the savings side of the household balance, including assets management companies, insurance companies, as well as makings companies.
So the ratings remain fairly ok for us where we continue to allocate and we also have a great allocation in IT services and discretionary shares of the consumer where the valuations seem reasonable at least in the coming years.
Because we are talking about the valuation lines, I want to understand the connection between profit growth and valuations. Do you still feel a decoupling in a few bags and having said that, will the last six months of this calendar year be largely? What do you analyze?
Nilesh Shetty: Yes, in certain sectors there has been a disconnection for many years. We saw that in staples from the consumer. These shares acted for the majority of the past decade at a very high price / profit ratio. After 2022 they perform underperforming because there was a big gap between the valuations they received and the income they deliver. We recently saw some recovery in these shares because investors wanted some defensive names in their portfolio. But otherwise they still remain very, very expensive. We also see that in capital goods. In the past three years there has been a tree in these shares.
Again, the assumption is that these ratings are not sustainable. While the income for these companies normalize, you suddenly realize why you pay 70 times, 80 times on these sectors. So again, our sense is that investors must be careful in these two pockets where valuations are not in accordance with their long -term averages.
Which sectors do you look at? In the recent past there was a clear distinction between private banks and banks in the public sector in terms of income. How do you look at it?
Nilesh Shetty: We have always preferred banks in the private sector. Sporadically, banks in the public sector tend to do well, especially in times when the NPA cycle remains very benign; But that is not the norm for these banks in the public sector. The norm is that they continue to have much higher NPAs than peers of the private sector and who catches them in. So try to appreciate these companies when the NPA cycle is very low, is not the right thing to do. Perhaps you want to normalize and return it to long -term averages. Then the appreciation suddenly does not see so attractive for banks in the public sector. Banks are of course much more efficient. They continue to praise the credit much better than banks in the public sector. Our allocation has at least preferred banks in the private sector and within that, quality banks in the private sector. We are not assigned to Tier II banks in the private sector where we grow again because of this aggression and try to grow books, they tend to sometimes compete with banks in the public sector in non-performing assets.Given the holidays, from now on will start and stay until the end of the year, what are those baskets, bouquets with spaces that have to look? The consumption room, travel and tourism. Is it something that will follow from now on? Do you think the IT sector is not a story in the short term?
Nilesh Shetty: In the consumption space you have to be careful because the festive season is a little earlier than last year, and so the figures in the short term can show a peak in a kind of question and other things versus last year, but that is not sustainable because the basic shifts and last year because the party was later. Suddenly you realize that those figures are not sustainable and that you correct them. But in the medium term we continue to have a major allocation to two -wheeler companies where we think that valuations remain reasonable. We have cut a lot, but we continue to have a considerable allocation. We continue to have an allocation to a large tractor conglomerate where we think they are doing very well in the passenger vehicle space, including some of their new launches, but these are the places where we have been assigned.
In IT services we think that long-term opportunities remain fairly rosy. It is in the short term because of this uncertainty in terms of what is happening in the US, which remains an important market for them. Even for their customers to commit a large Capex is not easy and you have seen a delay of discretionary IT expenditure that has delayed a recovery in their number. But looking at where the ratings are compared to their type of 5-year-old averages aged 10, they now remain very attractive. So we continue to have a big allocation, but you may have to be patient as an investor there. Maybe you should see a few quarters more pain until things settle in the US.
Looking at the volatility and uncertainty that wander around, I want to understand your cash book or get an idea of your cash book. How much money are you or what is the house philosophy on these conditions?
Nilesh Shetty: The current cash levels are around 12%. Cash is a rest for us. If we do not find names where we can use capital and we are happy with the existing weights in the portfolio of the shares we have, what remains is in cash. But again, if we would find opportunities tomorrow where we think that valuations are attractive and the company meets our liquidity and administrative standards, we are happy to add. It is slightly above the long -term average. Our long -term average has been around 10%. It is currently around 12%. But as I said in this correction, there are a few names that come closer to the purchase limits that we have for these shares. And you may see that those money levels are falling.
You mentioned your cash levels at 12%. Is it more of a time -wing strategy from three months later or six months later, you can use that or is it in terms of events?
Nilesh Shetty: No, it’s just individual stock -specific because we are a share choice portfolio, the portfolio that we are building. It is normal that we have not found any individual names that we have treated in our research database of 200 companies that are currently under our purchase limit. So because we don’t find any opportunities to implement, what remains is cash. But if three shares were under our purchase limit tomorrow in this correction, we will buy aggressively in those names and suddenly you will see that the cash levels are falling.
What is your opinion in the banks and financial space? I try to compare the PSU bank space with the private bank space? There are many news flows in such that we have for the ICICI Bank and that is the reason that we see an impact and is currently doing well when you compare it. What is your opinion about the banks and financial data, in particular the PSU and the private bank space?
Nilesh Shetty: We are probably against the market image right now. We have a major allocation to high -quality banks in the private sector. We think that valuations for that specific data set are currently far below their long -term averages. While we think for the PSU banks that the valuations are above their long-term averages and for the quality of the benches they are, you might be careful to give those valuations to these banks.
The banks of high quality of the private sector have been tested with proven management quality in the latter multiple cycles. In the case of PSU banks, they tend to do very badly in every cycle, probably because of the wrong prices of risk that I think it has not changed. So our allocation mainly tilts to banks in the private sector. We have a PSU bank that is the largest in the space in our portfolio where we think the price of risks is slightly better than other PSU banks.
How do you look at the universe of smallcaps and microcaps? This is a category where you should definitely be careful. But as a long -term investor, you can’t really let go of midcaps and smallcaps, although we can’t take midcaps and smallcaps in one breath. But having said that, are largely needed for stability and consistency in a portfolio and must be the best gamble in the current scenario. That said, if you really want to give a boost to your return by having selection and high -quality small caps, what will your bet be here?
Nilesh Shetty: In terms of strategy, we are market capitalization agnostic. We will go where we think that valuations are attractive, as long as the company meets our liquidity and administrative standards. But as I said, in the rally that has folded off in the last five years, especially after Covid, the small and midcap valuations have been very high and to get names that are useful with valuations that we feel comfortable with not easy. We now have a very low allocation to that space. In the process of trying to increase your return and try to allocate to this space, you can destroy many returns because you pay too much for some of these shares.
This stock is traditionally run by management that is not of great quality and especially when the liquidity dries up, the correction in the share price can be very sharp. If you are trying to take an exit at that time, you may see considerable losses for a portfolio. We have always been very careful with the ratings that we want to pay for companies and at the moment in this room it is not easy to get companies that are useful in terms of valuations.
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